tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post112188513388718880..comments2023-10-17T01:47:22.890-07:00Comments on The Discipler: On Being DisingenuousMichael Hineshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10181066621100395991noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-42326617124323720912009-05-26T11:22:50.198-07:002009-05-26T11:22:50.198-07:00This blog quoted:
"Alexander Campbell came to the ...This blog quoted:<br />"Alexander Campbell came to the conclusion that baptism was 'for the remission of sins.'"<br />What is the biblical teaching about Jesus' baptism -"one who did not know sin"?<br /><br />1 Corinthians 5.21 (NIV) says,<br />"God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that God's righteousness might come about in us."<br /><br />I understand that Jesus' death was for the remission of our sins, not anything we do.Jeff Jacobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-54423490109753581812008-08-12T15:55:00.000-07:002008-08-12T15:55:00.000-07:00Even if v.16 is a genuine part of Mark's gospel, i...Even if v.16 is a genuine part of Mark's gospel, it does not teach that baptism saves, since the lost are condemned for unbelief, not for not being baptized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-10646562629596673052007-04-29T16:59:00.000-07:002007-04-29T16:59:00.000-07:00Today Satan has deceived many individuals on this ...Today Satan has deceived many individuals on this subject. From the form, to the purpose. Satan’s presence for deceiving people has been from the beginning and continues today. I know a minister, who says that he has the Holy Spirit and that God talks to him. I asked him to ask God a question in his prayer time. “Is water baptism required for salvation?” He came back to me and said that God has told him in the past and told him again this time as well, from my request, that baptism is not part of salvation. <BR/>My position on this is – how can the Holy Spirit who instructed Mark to write Mk 16:16; Luke to write Acts 2:38 and 22:16; Peter to write 1 Pet 3:21, John to write John 3:5, speak differently to a man 2000 years latter? I am convinced that this voice, this minister heard, was not the voice that instructed the writers of the Bible. Also, when one looks in Acts of the conversions that took place, there was always a believer present, presenting the Gospel to a non-believer. Today people say they are saved by themselves with no one present, just say this prayer and sign your name as many pamphlets state.<BR/>So when I talk to individuals who claim that they are saved and have the Holy Spirit, if water baptism is required for salvation they general say NO (95%+). They where saved without baptism is their statement. <BR/>I wonder if they really believe in Jesus and if they have the Holy Spirit. Because if they did, the Holy Spirit indwelling them, they would have said A-men to what Jesus said and what the Holy Spirit instructed to be written…… And not reject it, make reasons and justification to not believe Jesus’s Words..<BR/>Mark 16:16 is the simplest answer to the question – “Is water baptism required for salvation.” Jesus says YES. Do you believe His words? Or Satan’s?<BR/>2 Thess 2:9-12<BR/> The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. <BR/>NKJV<BR/><BR/>DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1144955113203539532006-04-13T12:05:00.000-07:002006-04-13T12:05:00.000-07:00Question?Do you know William Jessup University's p...Question?<BR/><BR/>Do you know William Jessup University's position on baptismal regeneration? Their doctrinal statement seems to indicate they believe it but it's not stated clearly -- as you have indicated is true of many churches.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1127241231895201732005-09-20T11:33:00.000-07:002005-09-20T11:33:00.000-07:00I appreciate your take and concern about the chang...I appreciate your take and concern about the change in VIEW and PRACTICE regarding baptism. As Dr. Mont Smith taught me, baptism is "Essene" (hope I got the right spelling).<BR/><BR/>I believe Paul "bilbo" Steele is correct. Restoration Movement Colleges and Seminaries are NOT teaching the importance of baptism. They are trying to appeal to all kinds and denominational backgrounds and offend none. (I understand this is the new meaning of "evangelical".)<BR/><BR/>I am a Covenant and Restoration Movement theologian, though theology is not my "profession".<BR/><BR/>It disturbs me greatly that Calvinism has not "crept" into the Restoration Movement Church, it has FLOODED. Calvanistic thought and theology is now more of the norm. It is no wonder looking at the bios of William Jessup University and others. I looked at the bios of the staff at many Mega Christian Churches and found that many staffers were trained at Talbot and Westminster Theological Seminaries.<BR/><BR/>I shuddered and asked where things are going to end. I am encouraged that "bilbo" Steel discovered the Calvanistic purpose and doctrine of R. Warren. This is true for the work of Kay Arthur, who is also gaining a foot hold in the Restoration Movement Churches.<BR/><BR/>I am not disparaging those teachers! I believe that what they present needs to be scrutinized and supplemented and even compared and contrasted with what is presented in the NT. I do not believe these authors intend to leave out the NT, I think they do not see the Calvinism that they were taught and never looked beyond what they learned.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work Mike and "Bilbo"!<BR/>Blessings to you and your ministries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1126570731697628882005-09-12T17:18:00.000-07:002005-09-12T17:18:00.000-07:00No mention of Baptism at the Jerusalem Council in ...No mention of Baptism at the Jerusalem Council in Acts. Paul said he came to preach the gospel to the church at Corinth, not baptize people...he separated the two. I go could go on, and on, and on, and on...<BR/><BR/>there are just 7 controversial verses in the Bible about baptism referring to salvation. Just 7. The abundance of scripture, thousands of verses, indicate that a relationship with God is iniated by a personal active decision of faith.<BR/><BR/>that's not calvinism, that's not evangelical...that's just plain biblical. You my friend are preaching what Paul called in Galatians 1, "a heteros gospel"...a gospel of another kind. Shame on you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1126555484395124972005-09-12T13:04:00.000-07:002005-09-12T13:04:00.000-07:00Run for the hills!!! here comes those evil evange...Run for the hills!!! here comes those evil evangelicals trying to change us!!!! <BR/><BR/>What should we do!?! <BR/><BR/>Come on, give me a break. Go read John 17.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1126321600220822232005-09-09T20:06:00.000-07:002005-09-09T20:06:00.000-07:00How many will follow your archaic ways of doing ch...How many will follow your archaic ways of doing church and see our great churches of the 60's and 70's continue to die off with their congregations?<BR/><BR/>i.e. see your old church in Canton. Why is Greg Nettles church growing in that same area and yours isn't??? Let's talk about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1126315425876718422005-09-09T18:23:00.000-07:002005-09-09T18:23:00.000-07:00Maybe many are seeing the legalism in that theolog...Maybe many are seeing the legalism in that theology and the isolationism of "old school" RM. Unity has a bigger and different meaning these days...no matter how you feel about it.<BR/><BR/>Why don't you guys go start your own denomination if you don't like it where things are going....gesh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1122037686393123302005-07-22T06:08:00.000-07:002005-07-22T06:08:00.000-07:00I think you forgot 1 Peter 3:21. One reason baptis...I think you forgot 1 Peter 3:21. One reason baptism is a necessary part of the salvation process is because that is when the covenant which God offers to us is accepted by us, and we pledge to be faithful to it. It is signed in the blood of Jesus & our own (Ro. 6:1-6). Oh, I know this is risky, but I have to say it, it sounds a little like a marriage ceremony. Keep fighting the good fight and keep your chin up--football season is just around the corner. --Hawkeye GoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7815675.post-1121983485672508852005-07-21T15:04:00.000-07:002005-07-21T15:04:00.000-07:00To offer a couple of things that I have noticed. ...To offer a couple of things that I have noticed. First, I believe part of the problem is that baptism isn't be emphasised as it once was. The result is that many leave Restoration Movement Colleges and Seminaries without understanding the importance of baptism.<BR/><BR/>Second, the majority of books we read are written by people who do not see baptism in the same light as we do. I was shocked a couple of years ago, after a steady diet of Henry Blackaby and Rick Warren, that a lesson I had planned was very Calvinistic it is purpose. We are just not vigilant enough in what we read and listen to. Since our leaders have consumed so much Evangelical literature it has slowly moved us in that direction. So it is good to have a voice calling in the wilderness reminding us how things should be.Paul Steelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277850626608531951noreply@blogger.com